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− | Normally, on most platforms, you can just load a game or rip on any computer, emulator or player and start recording. Unfortunately, due to a production shortcoming at [[Commodore]], every [[Commodore 64]] computer and [[6581|SID]] sound chip has differences which bother composers and gamers to this day. | + | Normally, on most platforms, you can just load a game or rip on any computer, emulator or player and start recording. Unfortunately, due to a production shortcoming at [[Commodore]], every [[Commodore 64]] computer and [[6581|SID]] sound chip has [[6581#Examples|differences]] which bother composers and gamers to this day. |
The guide will show you how to convert Commodore 64 music into the VGMPF standard format [[OGG]] so you can upload it. The process should be easy to understand, but it will require patience and a bit of making up mind. | The guide will show you how to convert Commodore 64 music into the VGMPF standard format [[OGG]] so you can upload it. The process should be easy to understand, but it will require patience and a bit of making up mind. | ||
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:''Main article: [[NTSC/PAL - Recording Guide]]'' | :''Main article: [[NTSC/PAL - Recording Guide]]'' | ||
− | If the game was made for the | + | If the game was made for the American market, select NTSC in your favorite C64 emulator or SID player. If it was made for Europe or Australia, select PAL. If it was made for both, record the soundtrack twice: in PAL and in NTSC. |
===Song lengths=== | ===Song lengths=== | ||
− | Fortunately, the [https://hvsc.de High Voltage SID Collection] estimate all song lengths themselves and release [https://hvsc.de/download/C64Music/DOCUMENTS/Songlengths.md5 an updated list] every end of June and December. Several players | + | Fortunately, the [https://hvsc.de High Voltage SID Collection] estimate all song lengths themselves and release [https://hvsc.de/download/C64Music/DOCUMENTS/Songlengths.md5 an updated list] every end of June and December. Several players support that file, and you can open it in your favorite text editor and search for the SID filename. In the next line are 32 unimportant digits and letters, an equal sign, and the length of every track in the SID file. |
− | Remember, when recording an NTSC song | + | Remember, when recording an NTSC song on PAL or vice versa, you need to give or take some seconds or minutes. |
===6581 or 8580 model=== | ===6581 or 8580 model=== | ||
− | The SID sound chip came in two | + | The SID sound chip came in two models with major differences, named 6581 and 8580. Fortunately, several SID files already contain this information and many players use it automatically. |
For files that don't, it's best to ask the arranger whether they had a C64 (6581) or a C64C (8580). Several have already answered in interviews or to sites, especially the [https://hvsc.de High Voltage SID Collection]. | For files that don't, it's best to ask the arranger whether they had a C64 (6581) or a C64C (8580). Several have already answered in interviews or to sites, especially the [https://hvsc.de High Voltage SID Collection]. | ||
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If you already know the SID file was made for 8580, skip this section. | If you already know the SID file was made for 8580, skip this section. | ||
− | Otherwise, filters are the biggest problem. To this day, emulation is not completed and SID files don't contain any filter information | + | Otherwise, filters are the biggest problem. To this day, emulation is not completed and SID files don't contain any filter information. |
At the moment, it's best to first open every song to be recorded on [[DeepSID]]. | At the moment, it's best to first open every song to be recorded on [[DeepSID]]. | ||
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==Less suitable recording software== | ==Less suitable recording software== | ||
− | There are many C64 emulators and SID players with different qualities, like better visuals, performance and debugging. However, for recording, only accuracy counts, so some software should be used with caution. | + | There are many C64 emulators and SID players with different qualities, like better visuals, performance and debugging. However, for recording history, only accuracy counts, so some software should be used with caution. |
+ | |||
+ | As of this writing, VICE and VSID 3.4 are most accurate, though not to a huge degree and rather tedious. Otherwise, [[SID (XMPlay)]] may be easiest to use. | ||
Following software plays some songs plain wrong, or not at all. For example, the beginning of [[Title Music - Spiky Harold (C64)]] sounds too much more metallic and distorted than [http://www.6581-8580.com/socse/dl.php?d=soasc/hvsc/067/MP3/MUSICIANS/B/BOGG/Spiky_Harold_T001.sid_MOS6581R2.mp3 on a real C64]. | Following software plays some songs plain wrong, or not at all. For example, the beginning of [[Title Music - Spiky Harold (C64)]] sounds too much more metallic and distorted than [http://www.6581-8580.com/socse/dl.php?d=soasc/hvsc/067/MP3/MUSICIANS/B/BOGG/Spiky_Harold_T001.sid_MOS6581R2.mp3 on a real C64]. | ||
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* [[RdosPlay]] | * [[RdosPlay]] | ||
− | Following players don't support changing clock, model, and filter, but are still accurate enough | + | Following players don't support changing clock, model, and filter, but are still accurate enough if you don't need to change them: |
* [[JAM For Windows]] | * [[JAM For Windows]] | ||
* [[VLC]] | * [[VLC]] | ||
− | Following players | + | Following players may feel tedious, as the song has to be restarted upon every change: |
* [[SIDPlay (Windows)]] | * [[SIDPlay (Windows)]] | ||
* [[foobar2000]] v1.5.4 + [[SID Decoder]] 1.50 | * [[foobar2000]] v1.5.4 + [[SID Decoder]] 1.50 | ||
==Using XMPlay== | ==Using XMPlay== | ||
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===Downloading=== | ===Downloading=== | ||
* Go to [http://www.un4seen.com/xmplay.html un4seen.com/xmplay.html] and click the small '''DOWNLOAD''' on the top. | * Go to [http://www.un4seen.com/xmplay.html un4seen.com/xmplay.html] and click the small '''DOWNLOAD''' on the top. | ||
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* Read what it says next to ''Video standard'' and ''SID chip''. | * Read what it says next to ''Video standard'' and ''SID chip''. | ||
* Click '''Config''' again. | * Click '''Config''' again. | ||
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+ | ===Changing SID settings=== | ||
* If the ''Video standard'' is ''undefined'' or you need another, choose a ''Default SID model'' and check ''Lock'' next to it. | * If the ''Video standard'' is ''undefined'' or you need another, choose a ''Default SID model'' and check ''Lock'' next to it. | ||
* If the ''SID chip'' is ''undefined'' or you need another, choose a ''Default clock speed'' and check ''Lock'' next to it. | * If the ''SID chip'' is ''undefined'' or you need another, choose a ''Default clock speed'' and check ''Lock'' next to it. | ||
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* Every time the ''Write as...'' window appears, press '''ENTER''' and watch XMPlay record a track! | * Every time the ''Write as...'' window appears, press '''ENTER''' and watch XMPlay record a track! | ||
* After the last track, choose the previous ''Device''. | * After the last track, choose the previous ''Device''. | ||
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* Follow [[Determine Song Length#Step 6: Second Loop and Fade Out|steps 6 and 7 of Determine Song Length]]. | * Follow [[Determine Song Length#Step 6: Second Loop and Fade Out|steps 6 and 7 of Determine Song Length]]. | ||
==Using VSID== | ==Using VSID== | ||
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===Downloading=== | ===Downloading=== | ||
* Go to [https://vice-emu.sourceforge.io/index.html#download vice-emu.sourceforge.io/index.html#download] and click '''Download VICE''' under ''Windows'' or ''macOS''. | * Go to [https://vice-emu.sourceforge.io/index.html#download vice-emu.sourceforge.io/index.html#download] and click '''Download VICE''' under ''Windows'' or ''macOS''. | ||
* Unzip where you want. | * Unzip where you want. | ||
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+ | ===Opening a SID file=== | ||
* Open '''vsid.exe'''. | * Open '''vsid.exe'''. | ||
* Drag and drop the SID file you want into ''VICE (VSID)'' (anywhere but the playlist, you don't need one). | * Drag and drop the SID file you want into ''VICE (VSID)'' (anywhere but the playlist, you don't need one). | ||
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+ | ===Selecting another track=== | ||
* Click the two skip buttons to select a track within the SID file. | * Click the two skip buttons to select a track within the SID file. | ||
− | ===Adjusting filter=== | + | ===Adjusting 6581 filter=== |
* Move '''Bias'''. | * Move '''Bias'''. | ||
** Alternatively, press '''ALT+O''', click '''SID''' and move '''6581 filter bias'''. | ** Alternatively, press '''ALT+O''', click '''SID''' and move '''6581 filter bias'''. |
Revision as of 10:18, 29 August 2020
Normally, on most platforms, you can just load a game or rip on any computer, emulator or player and start recording. Unfortunately, due to a production shortcoming at Commodore, every Commodore 64 computer and SID sound chip has differences which bother composers and gamers to this day.
The guide will show you how to convert Commodore 64 music into the VGMPF standard format OGG so you can upload it. The process should be easy to understand, but it will require patience and a bit of making up mind.
Finding best settings
PAL or NTSC clock
- Main article: NTSC/PAL - Recording Guide
If the game was made for the American market, select NTSC in your favorite C64 emulator or SID player. If it was made for Europe or Australia, select PAL. If it was made for both, record the soundtrack twice: in PAL and in NTSC.
Song lengths
Fortunately, the High Voltage SID Collection estimate all song lengths themselves and release an updated list every end of June and December. Several players support that file, and you can open it in your favorite text editor and search for the SID filename. In the next line are 32 unimportant digits and letters, an equal sign, and the length of every track in the SID file.
Remember, when recording an NTSC song on PAL or vice versa, you need to give or take some seconds or minutes.
6581 or 8580 model
The SID sound chip came in two models with major differences, named 6581 and 8580. Fortunately, several SID files already contain this information and many players use it automatically.
For files that don't, it's best to ask the arranger whether they had a C64 (6581) or a C64C (8580). Several have already answered in interviews or to sites, especially the High Voltage SID Collection.
If the arranger can't answer, HVSC guesses. To learn how, see this table.
6581 filter
If you already know the SID file was made for 8580, skip this section.
Otherwise, filters are the biggest problem. To this day, emulation is not completed and SID files don't contain any filter information.
At the moment, it's best to first open every song to be recorded on DeepSID.
- Go to deepsid.com.
- On the top left between WebSid emulator and User is a round button which toggles between light and dark. See what you prefer.
- Click the Visuals tab on the top right.
- Click GRAPH.
- To the right of Buffer size, change from 16384 to 1024.
- Turn Modulations OFF and Pulse coat ON, it's less distracting.
- Click High Voltage SID Collection.
- Select the SID file you want to record. In case of Insects In Space:
- Click MUSICIANS.
- Click G.
- Click Galway_Martin.
- Scroll down and click Insects_in_Space.sid.
- Listen to the song and watch the 3 columns. Whenever one changes its background from white to bright yellow (or from black to dark brown) or vice versa, it means the filter has been toggled. Note down the times when it does.
- In case of Insects In Space, they should be 1:06 (or 1:07) and 1:51 (or 1:52).
- If the background is never yellow (or brown), the song doesn't use the filter and you won't have to set it up for that song.
- Click the small ^ button in the middle left. If you can't, you are done with this SID file.
Once you got all times down, open the SID file in a C64 emulator and SID player which supports adjusting the filter; see below for a list to choose from, along with specific instructions. In general, try different filter settings until all tracks sound best with the same setting. To begin with, you can always set the filter to a point where a sound vanishes or becomes unbearable, and then gradually adjust it until it sounds nice and audible -- after all, if arrangers bothered to set up the filter, they probably wanted us to hear it!
Less suitable recording software
There are many C64 emulators and SID players with different qualities, like better visuals, performance and debugging. However, for recording history, only accuracy counts, so some software should be used with caution.
As of this writing, VICE and VSID 3.4 are most accurate, though not to a huge degree and rather tedious. Otherwise, SID (XMPlay) may be easiest to use.
Following software plays some songs plain wrong, or not at all. For example, the beginning of Title Music - Spiky Harold (C64) sounds too much more metallic and distorted than on a real C64.
- CCS64 (emulator)
- DeliPlayer
- FastSID (option in VICE and VSID)
- jsSID (option in DeepSID)
- RdosPlay
Following players don't support changing clock, model, and filter, but are still accurate enough if you don't need to change them:
Following players may feel tedious, as the song has to be restarted upon every change:
- SIDPlay (Windows)
- foobar2000 v1.5.4 + SID Decoder 1.50
Using XMPlay
Downloading
- Go to un4seen.com/xmplay.html and click the small DOWNLOAD on the top.
- Unzip where you want.
- Go to ssz.bitbucket.io/input_plugins.html#sid and click xmp-sid.zip on the top right.
- Unzip into the same directory as XMPlay (or a subdirectory of).
Opening a SID file
- Open xmplay.exe.
- Press F9.
- Click Input.
- Click SID (rev. 37.1) (or higher number).
- Click Config.
- Uncheck both Lock.
- Uncheck Disable seeking.
- Set Default Duration as follows:
- See how many seconds the longest track lasts.
- If it's below 120, double it to meet timing rules.
- If it's between 120 and 240, make it 240. It's the fastest way to prevent two 1:59 loops from cutting off one 2:00 loop!
- Add 10 seconds.
- Now you can skip anywhere (which can take seconds -- don't worry about that) and record enough.
- Close the SID configuration window so changes take effect.
- Drag and drop the SID file into XMPlay (not the playlist, you don't need one).
- Press F3.
- Read what it says next to Video standard and SID chip.
- Click Config again.
Changing SID settings
- If the Video standard is undefined or you need another, choose a Default SID model and check Lock next to it.
- If the SID chip is undefined or you need another, choose a Default clock speed and check Lock next to it.
- Close the SID configuration window, click the XMPlay window and press Enter so changes take effect.
- Click Config again.
Selecting another track
- Press SHIFT+LEFT and SHIFT+RIGHT until the track number on the top says what you want.
Adjusting 6581 filter
- Move 6581 filter strength.
Recording
- Click Output.
- Remember what it says next to Device, you will want that back!
- Choose Encoder - FLAC or WAV Writer.
- Click Apply.
- Press ENTER in the XMPlay window.
- Every time the Write as... window appears, press ENTER and watch XMPlay record a track!
- After the last track, choose the previous Device.
- Follow steps 6 and 7 of Determine Song Length.
Using VSID
Downloading
- Go to vice-emu.sourceforge.io/index.html#download and click Download VICE under Windows or macOS.
- Unzip where you want.
Opening a SID file
- Open vsid.exe.
- Drag and drop the SID file you want into VICE (VSID) (anywhere but the playlist, you don't need one).
Selecting another track
- Click the two skip buttons to select a track within the SID file.
Adjusting 6581 filter
- Move Bias.
- Alternatively, press ALT+O, click SID and move 6581 filter bias.
- To skip to a position within the song, you must fast forward, perhaps first rewind by pressing ALT+F9. Clicking the bar has unfortunately no effect.
- To fast forward, click the fast forward icon button once. To play normal, click again.
- Alternatively, press ALT+O, click Speed, and Unlimited. To play normal, click 100%.
Recording
- On each musical track:
- Press SHIFT+ALT+R. The record icon does not seem to work.
- Click FLAC.
- Click Save.
- Enter a filename you understand. On the right is an icon to create a directory.
- Click Save.
- Skip to the track. If you already have, press ALT+F9.
- Either exit VSID or press SHIFT+ALT+S to stop the recording.
- Follow steps 6 and 7 of Determine Song Length.